Dear Blizzard, you seem to be confused about something. It’s ok. It’s obvious your writers were never Literature majors and so It’s normal to be confused about some concepts. As such, because you are so… wrong about something, I felt the need to correct you on this as is natrual for a person with just enough time on their hands who is on the internet.
All snark aside, right here is the problem in question-
I am going to explain to you a thing called "Poetic Justice". First of all, click that link. Let us look at the description.
“Poetic justice is a literary device in which virtue is ultimately rewarded or vice punished, often in modern literature by an ironic twist of fate intimately related to the character’s own conduct.”
So let us look at the scenario you described as Poetic Justice; the act of Garrosh being killed by Thrall.
In the case of Poetic Justice, Garrosh DID get what was coming to him as by his vice, and he was punished. But let us look at the second portion- “-punished by a ironic twist of fate intimately related to the character’s own conduct.” And, if one were to look only narrowly at his treatment of the Elements during his reign, and if that was a major narrative within that scene, one could perhaps make a decent argument about this death being Poetic Justice. The problem is that that was NOT the narrative. So, that was obviously not poetic justice for his behavior there.
In which case, if we look at the narrative of the scene, it is “Thrall kills Garrosh because Garrosh failed the Horde, and Garrosh blamed Thrall for his failure because Thrall appointed him Warchief.” How is any of that related intimately to the sins that Garrosh committed? In fact, none of Garrosh’s sins intimately affected Thrall. Thrall was on the sidelines until the last moment of the siege. The only way this narrative works is if you dig down deep and grade “not listening and learning from Thrall” as a vice worthy of death. The only way you can equate this narrative as a intimate relation to action and result is if you proceed to equate Thrall with the Horde, as Thrall being the Heart of the Horde. But this fails, as Thrall is no longer the Warchief. As he admitted at the end of Mist of Pandaria that he was NOT with the Horde during it’s darkest hour. That he was no longer the one to lead. And before that, he had left the Horde in Cataclysm.
In which case, perhaps you mean Garrosh’s vice which lead to Thrall killing him was Garrosh’s actions on Draenor. In which case, I would like to point out this is a alternate version of history that has no connection other than resemblance to Thrall, that may in the long run actually benefit that particular timeline since you know. No demon blood. No camps. Draenei will have a better shot of living. Need I stop?
Or, perhaps you meant that the death of Garrosh is a reward for the virtue of a Thrall. In which case-
That is a icky narrative. Stop. Also if the act of killing Garrosh was a reward for Thrall, that says world of uck about his character that paints him far more as a villain, and really rewarding virtue with “hey you get to kill this guy” is not good. And, it also ignores that in this case there are far more virtuous characters with far more compelling reasons that Garrosh’s kill would be a reward for their virtue that would not be so much “You dishonored me and the Horde” (the second part which is not intimate) and would rather be “You killed and tricked my people and wiped them off the face of the map” and “you tried to kill me and oppress my people killing them if they even spoke my name” and “You painted my land red with blood, awoke long dead monsters, and destroyed our most sacred place” which… kinda make legitimate the ‘kill as reward’ grossness.
And here is the crux of it. If your goal was symmetry or poetic justice you failed in both with Garrosh being killed by Thrall. Symmetry would not be two old Warchief’s duking it out. Symmetry would be the new Warchief killing the Old for the crimes that lead the new Warchief to become who he now is and gain his role. It would be Vol’jin fulfilling the promise he made back at the beginning of Cataclysm and having it be his arrow to pierce Garrosh’s black heart.
Poetic Justice would be Vol’jin killing Garrosh for his crimes against Vol’jin’s people and Vol’jin himself- see, intimate! Because it was Garrosh’s command that drove the knife through Vol’jin’s neck. It was Garrosh that mocked and literally spat on Vol’jin. It was Garrosh who tried to drive the Darkspear away from the home they had finally found.
Or, Jaina killing Garrosh for Poetic Justice. Jaina who gained new powers and place in the world because of Garrosh attacking her and bombing her people. Jaina who even then kept the doors for the Horde open only to be betrayed. Jaina who sought so mightily to see this Horde she had come to despise dead, then destroying the symbol of it? The one who caused it to become a rabid dog she needed to put down? To kill Garrosh would be justice.
Or, Taran Zhu killing Garrosh. Taran Zhu who felt himself consumed by a Sha that Garrosh’s orders unleashed. Taran Zhu who fought beside the Horde to only see them and himself crushed beneath this “True Horde’s” heel. Taran Zhu who fought with Garrosh at the beginning of the siege, finding and finishing the job with skills he learned from the new people on his shore along with the Ancient Might of Pandaria that Garrosh so coveted and yet so misused.
In all these cases, Garrosh evil actions that intimately affected the lives of these characters would come full circle to punish him with death.
Poetic Justice. It has a meaning. It has a punch. It has a narrative. It is not what you think it is Blizzard. I suggest to not tick off your fans, and to create better stories, you get out of the mindset that Orcs are central to the Horde or even to Azeroth, or even to the narrative you have developed leading up to here. That hasn’t been the case for a long time. You have put other characters and races with more weight in the Narrative and you cannot just ignore this for more Orcs.
In summary: Learn how to Narrative. And Poetic Justice is not what you think it is.
it’s called AAVE, you FUCKTRUCK
I hate how people here think that “proper general English” is the only way to speak English and all the others are considered “idiocy” like if language has anything to do with intelligence. I’m not even from the U.S. and I know this better than most of you.
Below is a list of all English dialects in North America:
- New England English
- Inland Northern American English (includes western and central upstate New York)
- Mid-Atlantic dialects
- Inland Northern American English (Lower peninsula of Michigan, northern Ohio and Indiana, Chicago, part of eastern Wisconsin and upstate New York)
- North–Central American English (primarily Minnesota, but also most of Wisconsin, the Upper peninsula of Michigan, and parts of North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa)
- Midland American English
- Southern English
- Western English
- Hawaiian Pidgin
- Newfoundland English
- Maritime English
- West–Central Canadian English
Native/American indigenous peoples
the funny thing about dril posts is that they actually do have a structure to them– they hit a kind of conceptual caesura halfway through, a point where there’s no inevitable logical connection between what’s been said and what’s still to come. here, the first sentence didn’t need to result in the second, yet it’s not “lol random” either; the speaker is angry about his boss’ draconian ferret-kissing policy, and reacts in kind, and even the reference to a “screen saver” reminds us that we’re in an office. it’s a narrative progression that, despite having an internal logic, alienates its punchline from its setup. who the hell is this person?
one thing i love about @dril posts is how they all seem to take place in a universe that is somewhat like our own, but with the habitus of white middle america taken to a bizarre, absurd, but strangely logical conclusion. take this one, for instance:
so we have our setting: a security guard protecting the american flag in the betsy ross museum, something almost archetypically american and middle class. but once again the first part, or setup, for the punchline, “fucking the flag,” careens the joke into an alien punchline that still, given the setting, makes sense. @dril’s security guard character imitates a sort-of cop-talk, the banter of a security guard, “buddy, they wont even let me fuck it”. you can imagine a similar response from a guard at any museum, but we’re talking about Fucking the American Flag, here.
i really love @dril.
it’s astonishing that a human being thinks of those posts. some person, someone out there whose existence we have to infer, because all we know is that those posts occur and they must be coming from somewhere. “the @dril tweeter” resonates as “the beowulf poet” does, except beowulf (which i’ve only read in translation, so i’m not an authority) has never made any use of the english language as baffling and sublime and somehow primally interlaced with the stuff of human consciousness as “IF THE ZOO BANS ME FOR HOLLERING AT THE ANIMALS I WILL FACE GOD AND WALK BACKWARDS INTO HELL.”
This is my favorite post, I am so glad I found it again.
Never stop being awesome, analytical side of Tumblr.
can you smell the cheeto dust
"It’s not sexist, it’s historically accurate!"
People complain about the story and the response is that it’s taken from history, so that somehow assuages the complaint? Even though this is an intended choice, a “feature”?
"A good RPer has to understand…"
That all of what you’re doing is a choice, and the fact that it’s constantly chosen and given full attention and detail is the complaint, not that it’s “inaccurate”?
And that it is inaccurate, to the setting they are RPing in, as these are the same people who whine about an unheared of cross-breed, but constantly write prejudices and themes and tones and circles that have no meaningful precedent to be RP’d the way they are in the Warcraft universe.
I just… continue to be amazed the lengths of the condescension and excuses pulled out to keep these like they’re inevitable, like they’re somehow a reality, when they are choices. They are always choices.
You can elect what appears in your story. And that is the problem people have.
people who write this kind of shit and call it storytelling should be thrown off the tallest cliffs tbh lol
Thank fuck I don’t visit the forums but once in a blue moon anymore
….Which realm forum was this in?
It’s on the Wyrmrest Accord realm forums. The thread is here if anyone is morbidly curious. But it’s been reported, so it probably won’t be around long.
What the fuck is wrong with people!?
This is the exact reason I never let myself get into RP. Who thinks this is… ugh. It’s like people think “It’s gruesome, so that means we’re MATURE™!”
I fucking hate people.
The unrigged pixel character prototype is complete! Everything was fixed, including the transparency issue with the hair and the accessories are added. While only barely visible, the accessories have physics applied so the scarf uses cloth physics and the other thing (technically a key, but yeah, very low poly/simple graphics there) uses a simple hinge to dangle.
Hopefully these will look good in motion, especially when used with animations (and will let me not have to manually animate those parts).